But the truth is that you’ve probably had that experience and didn’t even know it, unless you’ve had the privilege of discerining everybody that prays and or sings to you or your kids. I’d rather be marred in His hands than out of His hands. that’s a good scripture; but i have a hard time squaring that with the music industry, and anointing. Satan was the musician in heaven, and the Bible tells us that when he moved he created music. I dont think that the problem with homosexuality is more prevalent in the black church than in churches which are predominately white. Couldn’t find the original link. If a person really wants change, they will change, even if it means sitting themselves down from leading to get themselves together and through PROVEN supervision get back on the right track. that why it was so important for god to attack all the gods in the plagues, to show the difference. Finally, you say that God is still with them as unrepentant homosexuals,. Here is a brief biography I put together: Born August 19, 1943, to Mamie and Dan Lee Hawkins, Edwin Hawkins grew up in music. The Hawkins brothers are  gospel music industry “icons” and leaders of the Music and Arts conference. It is not primarily about winning souls, it is primarily about selling “product”, so character is not necessarily important, unless it negatively affects sales and proceeds. And the church is silent because we want entertainment, we want our churches to be mega churches, and we definitely made ministry a career move. (holy ghost) its just not part of the five fold ministry. I believe that foundationally gospel music was set up wrong from the beginning, since the definition of the term “gospel music”. And as far as you not being able to “fathom having hands laid on me by a whoremonger. false is so true. I won’t be as long as you but i would just like to point out that you had a lot to say about the enemy, but to me…you’re giving him too much power. Hawkins was the brother of Edwin Hawkins, Daniel Hawkins (Marcia), Feddie Hawkins Smith, Carol Hawkins Kemp and Lynette Hawkins-Stephens. indian school ajman (global indian) kg 1; kg 2; class 1; class 2; class 3; class 4; class 5; class 6; class 7; class 8; class 9; class 10; class 11; class 12; habitat group Sure we will all stand before God, but that does not cancel out what is required for the church to do before that time. I thank you and will pray for your website and all that concerns you that you stay true to the original intent of spreading the Gospel as the Original Disicples once did. Didn’t he protect your life while you were in your foolishness because he had a plan for your life? god is great. A true worshipper would never allow himself or herself to become contaminated with the sin around them. if things happen in the presence of those gods u think they were part of it. James Cleveland:GCM Watch has reported on both Hawkins and Cleveland here and here, not to foster gossip or innuendo but to show that the roots of the gospel music industry have been irrigated by dirty water. You can literally pick one off the street, and record in the studio, and you could have the next best thing. I strongly am against anyone in a homosexual lifestyle or any sexual perversion be functioning in a leadership position in the LORDS church. In regards to the music industry, I’ve been around most of the “celebrities” and unfortunately it is true about what is going on with homosexuality and it is WICKED to say the least. There are literally TONS of songs written by talented gifted musicians that do NOT promote the gospel of Jesus; it, in my opinion, promotes talent, the flesh and the display of it. God is reforming and it has begun. you think that dont apply to us today. Trained by his elder brother, Edwin began playing piano at age five and accompanied the family group. Grace is applied, but should never be used as cover for one’s sins especially when repentance is part of the equation. he will fool the very elect if possible, if you let him convince u its god. Where are the true levites who are on the Lord’s side and not on the record companies side, not on their career’s side, not on their friend’s side? only conclusion i can come to is that a devil of higher authority can remove that devil, but will only do so to replace the weaker devil. remember, the devil wants in the church not to do away with the church, but lead it. Well it must have been a secret (of sorts) to Tramaine! presents counterfeit. Yet, all is not lost. One question I have for you Pastor, do you think this problem is more prevalent in the black church or the white church? the devil uses these three things in his plan. Either that or you have singers who enable them in their sin (like Cynthia Clawson and Joyce McCullough, for example, both Southern Gospel artists who sing at homo sexual churches). and he’ll turn them away. but what about their present condition. so when you realize its gone, you cant account for it, and dont know what happened. they like simon want people to worship them. I believe that they should be properly paid for gifts and talents, but I believe that greed set in quickly, in addition to entitlement, and God was put off to the side and then eventually forgotten altogether, yet his Name is being used. does being in sin equate to known sorcery?? christ said a house divided against itself cannot stand. I was heartbroken, but the people who knew firsthand didn’t say a thing to correct it. And I will continue to rejoice.”. However, from a biblical perspective its error to allow someone who lives a consistent lifestyle of sin to hold positions of influence in God’s church. not he has so much power. I know this site is primarily about the sin of homosexuality, but I submit that ANY sexual perversion should be dealt with quickly, just as it was in the days of the Law. I grew up in COGIC and my wife in the Baptist church. Lynette Hawkins- Stephens. From someone outside the church, all the bitter comments in this thread just drives me further away from church and its politics. We also have to understand that the word “anointing” only means enablement to do something. So whether we were unredeemed and living a homosexual life, saved and doing it (or fell into it), the Word of God lets us know we know the difference between right and wrong, as God created this knowledge within us. Lynette Hawkins-Stephens Lyrics - All the great songs and their lyrics from Lynette Hawkins-Stephens on Lyrics.com this is not an over night thing. What we have documented on this site YACAPH is stunning and yes sometimes a bit overwhelming if one isnt prepared. Lynette recalled the best lesson her brother ever taught her: “to not judge.”Lynette says an important function of music and singers is important to usher in freedom, because “God doesn’t want us in bondage in any kind of way.” The bible says that the deciever and an antichrist can’t even confess that Jesus came in the flesh. If their music can touch my heart and spirit so much, and others all over the world, shouldn’t we, as Walter signs, Be Grateful. so the tingling feeling you get when they sing, and the tears and emotions is not the holy ghost if they are in a unrepentant sinful lifestyle. How many more musicians and other church leaders do we have to hear about and their public scandal (homosexuality, drugs, alcohol, divorce, infidelity, etc) before we realize that we are to seek first the kingdom of God and all his righteousness? i think this was addressed in the first one, but maybe it needs to be repeated for clarification. in neither of these examples did you refute the fact that the sorcerers, simon and with moses, showed some power. Correction it is Lev 18:22 where God says men should not have sex with men as it is an abomination. This mess is reproducing after its own kind! when we allow mess and demons to lead the service the flow of the holy ghost cant operate at the same time. I don’t believe at all that this website is focused on exposing sin, for the purpose of making the church of God look bad to the unredeemed. but we fail to let him move in our lives by ignorantly submitting ourselves to wolves. Come out of your sin, stop your sexual immorality, obey Christ and stop covering for thieves and robbers masquerading as ministers. furthermore, some of these men and women were once saved and have a documented miracle. Not all, but most of them. as far as moses is concerned, moses worked many miracles. Thanks for the response. The man practiced sorceries, and that’s different from gospel music singers who are in sin. The church have taught for YEARS that all that has to be done is confess with our mouths and believe in our hearts that Christ has risen from the dead, and we are saved. Apologies. To me it sounds like you’re saying that sin automatically means that a person is a sorcerer or some evil person that practices magic. That statement can be viewed two ways. People looked up to what society and the church calls “pioneers”. Instead of putting them in their proper place in the church (as you said music is sacred for the worship of God) many are using them as emotional candy. finishes us off. 1,678 Views. However, God’s spirit will not remain with those who consistently grieve him with sinful disobedience. This applies to anyone, regardless of what work was done to bring people to Christ. I also found out years ago that there is another kind of woman who knew what the deal was, but marry or be with these men as an “arrangement”, for status, money, prestige, power, etc. Oftentimes our churches will punish ministers, while allowing members in the music ministry to live any way they want. But they are also… Strangely, there have been no known protests, denials or rebuttals of the book from Hawkins. That in God’s hands we will be “always marred”? we have the holy ghost some of us at least. January 15, 2018 I say this specifically, b/c of the heavy-handed “leading” to assimilate in order to be considered a “somebody” in these assemblies. only time he bothers a real sanctified person is they let their consecration down and he finds weakness. Walter Hawkins was the brother of Edwin Hawkins, Daniel Hawkins (Marcia), Feddie Hawkins Smith, Carol Hawkins and Lynette Hawkins-Stephens. No man can serve two masters. That is the beautiful thing I see in the midst of this perverse and crooked generation. The author contends these stories needed to be “documented.”. I submit that most musicians prostitute the name of Jesus for personal gain no matter what the cost, and now God is cleaning house. so if he doesnt come in, who does? god wants the glory but wont accept a flaky lifestyle. The spirit that is fairly dominate in the gospel music industry was in part, ushered in by these men who still are revered and idolized by the unrepentant homosexual community in the church. Biography Lynette Hawkins Stephens is an actress, known for Leap of Faith (1992) and Celebration of Gospel (2003). With a long history of predecessors who have lost or never had conviction, the musicians that are coming up behind these people think it is okay to live a double life. One of the interviewees describes meeting Bishop Walter Hawkins and brother Edwin and the late  Rev. OAKLAND - You'd think the combination of Peabo Bryson, Lynette Hawkins Stephens, Jeffrey Osborne, Jacqueline and Lorraine Hansberry would sell enough tickets to fill the Paramount Theater. God is still the First and the Last, so He will show out and do what is necessary to show his disapproval of this and other sins. Much of the information here comes from secular sources or the false prophets themselves have publicized their evil with no shame. The homosexual spirit exposes itself, as it is its nature is to be seen. that is what im concerned with. he kicked a young organist off the organ while he was preaching; told him he wasnt good enough to play for him, and was out of sorts until his hired organist came back inside the church from his smoke break. also, the lord inhabits the praises of his people, so if you’re not his, he won’t come in. Because God became secondary to the vast majority of folk, the Great I AM is now going to be first to strip away this mess and set it up right using the remnant that he alone can trust, those that will let the unredeemed know that living for Christ is more than getting a paycheck and having notoriety. It was sometimes during, depending on the circumstance. and your take on it is theres no connection to this shift in values/commitment to godliness i guess b/c god is greater. rememember, the magicians did the same signs as moses for a period of time. so he knows that he must win by distraction and confusion; remember, we perish for lack of knowledge. I submit that God who is SOVEREIGN uses these musicians to get HIS message across and for those who come to Christ through the music, good! Have no distinction between the holy and unholy; if it gets people out of their seats to scream, shout and pay adulation for the performance, nothing else matters. Thanks for your clarification of the high level and low level devils, etc. The 7th of 8 children born to the late Dan Lee and Mamie Vivian Hawkins, Walter Lee Hawkins was born on May 18, 1949 in Oakland, California. As an “insider”, do you think there is any hope for reform in the industry or is it a foregone conclusion that things will only get worse? By Bob Marovich The Journal of Gospel Music has learned that Edwin Hawkins, whose arrangement of the nineteenth-century hymn “Oh Happy Day” became a crossover success and signaled the emergence of contemporary gospel music, passed away today (Jan. 15) in Pleasanton, California. Bless you sir. Was God still with you when you were in homosexuality? is the church in your estimation more or less powerful now than fifteen years ago? There is nothing worth losing your soul over. The church is tied to this, and can’t really effectively shut down the promotion of homosexuality over Gods precepts, if the church is relying on governmental handout (one example is the 501c3 tax exempt status), and church offererings from parishoners who give to the church as a “good deed” but don’t want to really live for God in totality. Calling them into honest accountability is on par with what the scriptures teach. so i do get an opportunity to discern the fruit and make a choice in a lot of instances. The real question is, is there power BEHIND the anointing? That’s your personal choice. remember paul told timothy forsake not the gift that was given by the laying on of hands. Herman Anderson: This is s former gospel DJ. No weapon formed against this website, the remnant of God, you and your family shall prosper, and every tongue that rose and rising against any of it, may the Lord QUICKLY CONDEMN. its deception. All Rights Reserved. But again we’re not talking about whether or not God is protecting the Hawkins or showing them mercy, but the Hawkins’ unrepentant sin and encouraging others to live in like fashion. The Bible tells us about spiritual wickedness in HIGH PLACES, which roughly talks to governmental leadership, this case being leadership in the church. Thank God for you and the witness you bear. so in a matter of a few months i went from not knowing how to play a note to playing for the state choir. Walter was the brother of gospel singer Edwin Hawkins and Lynette Hawkins-Stephens. to give you a false sense of security – and try to show u that his format is just as good as god. Further study of the word anointing will tell you that the oil of God is smeared on an individual to be enabled to do something, so can it be safe to say that many of these musicians (past and present) were GIFTED, TALENTED even? To date, their music still blesses me after all these many years and is scripturally sound overall. but they think my ability to play is automatically anointing. the devil can only offer part of the truth b/c he’a liar and thief; was from the beginning. I am especially blessed by your question which is one we have asked from time to time here. And as a matter of fact, Paul put it like this in Philippians 1:18 “Whether their motives are false or genuine, the message about Christ is being preached either way, so I rejoice. Pioneers who molest children, pioneers who want protégés to “bend over” in order to become famous, pioneers who also blackmail the people of God, the world, and each other to keep their pockets lined and have the audacity to say “to the glory of God”. Hawkins was the brother of Edwin Hawkins, Daniel Hawkins (Marcia), Feddie Hawkins Smith, Carol Hawkins Kemp and Lynette Hawkins-Stephens. So, regardless of the sorcery, trickery, simon, seduction, counterfeit and whatever else he’s trying to do…he will not win. nobody but god can give you those kinds of music lessons. Please note the difference. See, the devil cant work unless he has a platform to be noticed and even worshipped, which is why he was kicked out of heaven in the first place, yet we allow him to rein in the earth realm in our churches, and then call it anointing, gift, talent (especially if it draws a crowd and money), and wonder why it is so prevelant in the church? Thus, Isaiah 59:2 was not written nor intended for sinners, but God’s people. something too much for us to handle comes along and we cant believe god would allow it, so we begin to reject god and question him and backslide. Im not sure how you justify that but the Bible (Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth) says “your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, And your sins have hidden His face from you so that He does not hear.” Isaiah 59:2. But to evolve it and then call it gospel, I believe it is incorrect. I’ll end on this…, If we are unfaithful, he remains faithful, for he cannot deny who he is. im not sure what you mean by saying the vessel will always be marrred. sorry for overlookin the scripture up top (phil 1 :15 -18). Just because they are perverts, whoremongers or whatever….God is still God. I know a lot of people look at homosexuals different than they would a drunk and prostitute or drug dealer, but the Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth tells us that no sin is greater than another. Biography. I will never take that from him, as I loved his music, and followed him for years, until one of his former singers opened their mouth and shared what they should not have that was verified by different people from different circles. I was not saved nor did I profess to be a follower of Christ. what they need is someone teaching/living it to show them what real favor in god is. Hawkins … that argument is supported in no part of the bible. I cant say much to this except AMEN. I must confess that I have been given much in terms of information from people who are FED UP with the degradation of God’s church. There has been no real accountability, and scandal has always ALWAYS been a part of it, generally when the musicians became sloppy with their mess, or just plain arrogant about it. We all know that a singer, writer, etc is a dime a dozen. or having my kids have a pervert sing to them. i hope thats not a we all sin argument. What the world and the church has done is to gravitate to these and other damnable things clearly listed in the Word of God as wrong for the purpose of promoting agenda. Biography. sorry for any confusion in my rant, but im still not satisfied on the original question with that verse. if we could offer up any type of sacrifice, cain’s gift would have sufficed. Those who do know, it would be better to keep things quiet, as both he and his wife I pray are at peace now. but can someone give me a biblical example of anointing on a corrupted vessel? Also God “protecting” you from physical death and danger (which He certainly did for me) is per his mercy which the bible says he shows to whom he will (Rm 9:18), not everybody en masse. You seem to be taking John 8:1-11 out of context. Although I have been away from t... Linda Elmore: Have to say that Charles Johnson and the Revivers were such... Jennie Pitts: I'm glad to see you again Lerone and back then I was praying... Jennie Pitts: This and other legendary songbirds has soothe the Soul and s... “Can’t Nobody Do Me Like Jesus! but the bible says Jesus blots out some names. Married to Lynette Hawkins Stephens. What happened to dying DAILY to our own flesh? my example, to clarify, is of a high level devil removing the weaker b/c he’s stronger and replacing the weaker with himself. They were the only ones who refused to become involved in the idolatrous debauchery. But the Bible also says that he was a man after God’s own heart. What happened to Gen 19:5 which says men are not to lay with another man like a man would lay with a woman, because it is an ABOMINATION (something that God himself HATES), what happened to Romans 1? lord, i cast out devils in your name. If the Holy Spirit leaves and no longer convicts you of sin, where do you stand? and god is god. Bishop Hawkins was married to Tramaine Hawkins, they had two children, a son Walter "Jamie" Hawkins, Jr., who is married to Myiia "Sunny" Davis-Hawkins, and a daughter Trystan Hawkins. If we look historically at gospel music, it originally started from the US cotton fields during the time of slavery and it was used to give coded messages among the slaves to keep the slave masters ignorant of planned escapes, and whatever else they wanted to say without getting punished for it. and failing to heed the warning from the holy ghost gives the devil that access. Why dont the musicians and singers who are living a clean life speak up and hold their fellow artists accountable? This spirit has a problem with the Light of God exposing this particular sin, (hence the accusation of gay hatred, gay bashing, judging) as it still is not the spotlight that it is looking for. Take the story with the woman who was caught in adultrey. he’s faithful to that b/c his will is for you to be saved, and SAVED FROM YOUR SIN NOT IN YOUR SIN. consecration is gone, music/feel good in. Some are angry (out of ignorance) and accuse us of exposing the sins of the church to the world, but its not so. What we as saints of God must realize is that we are all human, but there comes a time when we must seperate ourselves from certain people and certain things that may detour us from God. I understand what youre saying. so as i said, performing a miracle is not a sure sign that they;re saved. Hawkins died today after battling with cancer for some time. When Moses came down from the mountain, he asked a question: “Who is on the Lord’s side?” The first ones who responded to him were the levites. so a documented healing they couldnt perform is irrelevnt. and paul was not encouraging preaching in error, he said nevertheless i rejoice that christ is preached. Are they afraid of what those who are living in error can do to their careers? Now I am not talking about hearsay or just outright gossip, I am talking about things that can be verified, if you go to the proper sources. Most women are in total denial, because of their own self esteem issues, and other women feel that they are “woman enough” to change these sort of men. egupt has many false gods. Even if they are gay, God is still with them, he said if I make my bed in hell, he’s there, if I make my bed in the deepest sea, he’s there. I have nothing but respect for you my brother. Yes, we are marred (experience conflicts of interest) in the sense that we are in the flesh, but the requirements of holiness dont change because of that. the vessel will always be marred. The Word tells us that “many will say in that they I prophesied in your Name, and He will say depart from me I know ye not, you workers of iniquity” (Iniquity in short is the lifestyle of practiced sin without repentance). this is so comical (not funny) that these clowns in the pulpit can preach that message and contradict it at the same time. I can’t speak for anyone else, but as an ex-homo, for me it is a daily walk to live for Christ, and take a stand against this mess, especially in the music industry. theres a pastor i know wouldnt preach his message without music, and the sad thing he was preaching on maintaining the holiness standard. u can email me personally if you want to. You said “the devil is the cause of sickness so certainly he knows how to remove what he placed there in the first place.”. and simon the sorcerer was famed for his ability to work miracles. But they are also in Johnson’s book Sweet Tea . I have found out that most leaders can’t take a stand because they are either in it themselves, want to be in it, or they are afraid that some secret sin (not necessarily homosexuality) will be exposed. Hawkins was the brother of Edwin Hawkins (d. 2018) , Marava Ladale Hawkins (d. 1988), Carol Lee Hawkins (d. 2020), Feddie Joyce Hawkins, Jervis Ersell Hawkins (d. 1952), Daniel Lee Hawkins (Marcia) and Lynette Gail Hawkins-Stephens (Reginald). they confess with mouth but heart is far from the lord. I believe it is in 1Samuel where David was called a “skilled musician” and played to remove demonic spirits off of king Saul, spirits that were sent to Saul from GOD himself! I’m afraid for the Bride. Biography Lynette Hawkins Stephens is an actress, known for Leap of Faith (1992) and Celebration of Gospel (2003). The music industry has, in my opinion, become a tool from satan to make a very calculated attempt to prevail against the church by perverting it from the inside. Another point I forgot to make is that we are supposed to be accountable to one another. but if they stay in that atmosphere too long, they will be deceived into thinking the double life is ok. and if they dont know about the leader/singer/whoever, and find out later, it may turn them away from the church completely. I am a gospel music collector, with literally THOUSANDS of albums of our history, and I cannot tell you how disappointed I was to find out that the majority of the time, outside of talent and ability and skill were a bunch of people who were reported homosexual (male and female), alcoholics, abusers of drugs, etc. people want to praise you for your ability, but im just there to praise god in my own way, and help you praise him and be on one accord in celebration of christ. thats what he does in the book of revelation to deceive the folks is try to pretend to be like jesus and display the power of god and turn folks from the truth. 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